Fire Muller...now!

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Did you see what happened at U of Texas with their football position. They lined a guy up, then fired their coach, and hired the new guy. The firing/hiring happened in less than 24 hours.

If you think colleges don’t put feelers out until the coach is actually fired, then I think you may just be Larry Lyons!

I know they put out feelers all the time, but if you are trying to say that we can do that because U of Texas can do it, you may be vastly overestimating our resources/standing.

That said, colleges can put all the feelers out that they want, but if you tell a coach at another university, "Hey, I got a job for you, I just got to find the money to fire the previous guy first and pay you" they likely aren't going to hold their breath waiting for you to make the move.
 

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I know they put out feelers all the time, but if you are trying to say that we can do that because U of Texas can do it, you may be vastly overestimating our resources/standing.

That said, colleges can put all the feelers out that they want, but if you tell a coach at another university, "Hey, I got a job for you, I just got to find the money to fire the previous guy first and pay you" they likely aren't going to hold their breath waiting for you to make the move.
I hope the admins don’t have your attitude. Sounds like you wouldn’t even try to make your program better. I would be spending every minute of my day trying to figure out how to remove Dan and replace him with a quality coach. Your mantra seems to be, “can’t do it here”
 

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I hope the admins don’t have your attitude. Sounds like you wouldn’t even try to make your program better. I would be spending every minute of my day trying to figure out how to remove Dan and replace him with a quality coach. Your mantra seems to be, “can’t do it here”

I've never said it can't be done, I've said because of the price it would cost it's highly unlikely. Again, would I be pleasantly surprised if they came up with the money to make it happen, absolutely, but if they don't am I going to throw a tantrum like you do? No, because I understand that 1.5 million likely isn't lying around in couch cushions scattered across campus.
 

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Dietz helped run the athletic program (no support of a football practice facility and Men’s basketball/allowing the Muller contract extension) into the ground with his puppet Lyons. I don’t want him making any more decisions related to athletics.

He hired the new AD to do his job. If Muller isn’t fired by Monday we will know we have Lyons 2.0.
a whole seventy-six days before final judgement on Brennan is passed ... EXCELLENT!
 

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I’m sorry, should I give him 8 years like Lyons to settle in or 9 like Muller? He’s getting

My opinion would be that if there was a stud coach already on deck, that info likely gets "leaked" to the boosters so that they help contribute money, and ISU wouldn't cover the whole burden. That said, I think would be hard to line up a stud without a guaranteed open position, and it would be hard to free up the position without money

With the total of 1.5 million the amount needed to buy Dan out, I find it highly unlikely we move on after the year. I would be pleasantly surprised if we did, but I'm not going to hold it against the AD if we don't.
I don't think it's going to happen. I agree with you. I guess the question is how low can ISU Basketball go in the next 3 years?
 

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I’m sorry, should I give him 8 years like Lyons to settle in or 9 like Muller? He’s getting paid now.
You are right, we should all be able to tell if he will shine or suck in 2 1/2 months; and, if he makes his first major decision that you (or I (or any others)) disagree with, he is forever doomed to fail.

Guess the new president-to-be ought to have an AD list ready in their pocket, they could be going through them like toilet paper during a pandemic.
 

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You are right, we should all be able to tell if he will shine or suck in 2 1/2 months; and, if he makes his first major decision that you (or I (or any others)) disagree with, he is forever doomed to fail.

Guess the new president-to-be ought to have an AD list ready in their pocket, they could be going through them like toilet paper during a pandemic.
Ok- minus your sarcasm...do you think a coach in the future should have 9 years to build a program? We are going to disagree about 2017...because I don't believe an NIT bid is a reason to give a 7 year contract extension. You better make the NCAA Tournament for that...and I would say at least the round of 32. In 9 years...Dan has had 2 NIT's...lol.
 
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You are right, we should all be able to tell if he will shine or suck in 2 1/2 months; and, if he makes his first major decision that you (or I (or any others)) disagree with, he is forever doomed to fail.

Guess the new president-to-be ought to have an AD list ready in their pocket, they could be going through them like toilet paper during a pandemic.
I know most of this board likes to think of this as intramurals, but this is a job. You don’t get hired to probably the second most important (other than president and at some schools more important) position at the University to sit on your hands (unless you are Lyons and Dietz).

I am pretty sure Brennan knows how big this is. If he were the AD at Utah, did or didn’t fire the coach and the basketball program went downhill, he would be fired. Now with Dietz you could accomplish nothing and still collect a paycheck, but his next boss might have standards.

ISU has the money to do this. To me this shows if Brennan is willing to stand up to Dietz and get this done or is he just a yes man.
 

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I know most of this board likes to think of this as intramurals, but this is a job. You don’t get hired to probably the second most important (other than president and at some schools more important) position at the University to sit on your hands (unless you are Lyons and Dietz).

I am pretty sure Brennan knows how big this is. If he were the AD at Utah, did or didn’t fire the coach and the basketball program went downhill, he would be fired. Now with Dietz you could accomplish nothing and still collect a paycheck, but his next boss might have standards.

ISU has the money to do this. To me this shows if Brennan is willing to stand up to Dietz and get this done or is he just a yes man.
And if Muller stays we should get to hear why. It is annoying that Lyons and Dietz could hide and never have to answer for their decisions. At least some honesty from Brennan would be refreshing. I can accept it if he comes out and tells us he wasn’t allowed to make the decision because of money or the president.
 

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Ok- minus your sarcasm do you think a coach in the future should have 9 years to build a program? We are going to disagree about 2017...because I don't believe an NIT bid is a reason to give a 7 year contract extension. You better make the NCAA Tournament for that...and I would say at least the round of 32.
I think trying to lock any D-I men's basketball coach in, that is not at a blue blood school, is an exercise in futility. If they have done well enough for long enough someone higher in the pecking order is going to try and poach them (and almost always successfully).

Five years in and things looked on an upswing, nine years in not so much. But, despite what some on this board are unwilling to acknowledge, dollars (or lack of) will come into the decision. We are not privy as to all of the financial commitments/needs are/will be needed. I am on record that, at a minimum, the staff should be shaken up if that is the most that can be done. Status quo would not be a good look.

If Brennan thinks he can pull it off, so be it (and hopefully he is the kind of money man). If he feels it is not fiscally feasible (this year), so be it. Both could be justified, whether we all want to hear it.

And, my point was based on Rico file-13'ing the man if he does not make the decision he wants. First major decision, less than three months in, and he is willing to label him. I prefer to give my hires a little more rope to prove their mettle.
 

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And if Muller stays we should get to hear why. It is annoying that Lyons and Dietz could hide and never have to answer for their decisions. At least some honesty from Brennan would be refreshing. I can accept it if he comes out and tells us he wasn’t allowed to make the decision because of money or the president.
Rico, I have no issue with this statement. Give a state of the program and expectations going forward.
 

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I think trying to lock any D-I men's basketball coach in, that is not at a blue blood school, is an exercise in futility. If they have done well enough for long enough someone higher in the pecking order is going to try and poach them (and almost always successfully).

Five years in and things looked on an upswing, nine years in not so much. But, despite what some on this board are unwilling to acknowledge, dollars (or lack of) will come into the decision. We are not privy as to all of the financial commitments/needs are/will be needed. I am on record that, at a minimum, the staff should be shaken up if that is the most that can be done. Status quo would not be a good look.

If Brennan thinks he can pull it off, so be it (and hopefully he is the kind of money man). If he feels it is not fiscally feasible (this year), so be it. Both could be justified, whether we all want to hear it.

And, my point was based on Rico file-13'ing the man if he does not make the decision he wants. First major decision, less than three months in, and he is willing to label him. I prefer to give my hires a little more rope to prove their mettle.
Didn't Sheahon Zenger fire Moser in his 1st year on the job?


Zenger fired him with three years remaining on his contract, saying at the time: “This isn't about wins and losses from a particular season. This is about a program, and the management of that program.”


 
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Didn't Sheahon Zenger fire Moser in his 1st year on the job?


Zenger fired him with three years remaining on his contract, saying at the time: “This isn't about wins and losses from a particular season. This is about a program, and the management of that program.”


Zenger (April, 2005) was on the job for nearly two years prior to jettisoning Moser (March, 2007).

And, if he did have three years left, doesn't that mean the prior AD gave Moser a seven year contract?
 

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I know most of this board likes to think of this as intramurals, but this is a job. You don’t get hired to probably the second most important (other than president and at some schools more important) position at the University to sit on your hands (unless you are Lyons and Dietz).

I am pretty sure Brennan knows how big this is. If he were the AD at Utah, did or didn’t fire the coach and the basketball program went downhill, he would be fired. Now with Dietz you could accomplish nothing and still collect a paycheck, but his next boss might have standards.

ISU has the money to do this. To me this shows if Brennan is willing to stand up to Dietz and get this done or is he just a yes man.
That last paragraph sounds fine on a fan’s forum. It doesn’t work that way in the real world.
 
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Ok- minus your sarcasm...do you think a coach in the future should have 9 years to build a program? We are going to disagree about 2017...because I don't believe an NIT bid is a reason to give a 7 year contract extension. You better make the NCAA Tournament for that...and I would say at least the round of 32. In 9 years...Dan has had 2 NIT's...lol.
IMO, 5 years is as long anyone should be signed to. After 5 years, you should know what you have.
 

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I think trying to lock any D-I men's basketball coach in, that is not at a blue blood school, is an exercise in futility. If they have done well enough for long enough someone higher in the pecking order is going to try and poach them (and almost always successfully).

Five years in and things looked on an upswing, nine years in not so much. But, despite what some on this board are unwilling to acknowledge, dollars (or lack of) will come into the decision. We are not privy as to all of the financial commitments/needs are/will be needed. I am on record that, at a minimum, the staff should be shaken up if that is the most that can be done. Status quo would not be a good look.

If Brennan thinks he can pull it off, so be it (and hopefully he is the kind of money man). If he feels it is not fiscally feasible (this year), so be it. Both could be justified, whether we all want to hear it.

And, my point was based on Rico file-13'ing the man if he does not make the decision he wants. First major decision, less than three months in, and he is willing to label him. I prefer to give my hires a little more rope to prove their mettle.
I do agree with a lot of what you said! If muller doesn’t want to negotiate a buyout- I’m following him like a pound pound puppy. I’m in on every recruit-decision that will be made regarding basketball. We can have difficult final three years or a fresh start.
 

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I do agree with a lot of what you said! If muller doesn’t want to negotiate a buyout- I’m following him like a pound pound puppy. I’m in on every recruit-decision that will be made regarding basketball. We can have difficult final three years or a fresh start.
I am sure that will keep Dan awake at night! 🤪🤪
 
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