Fire Brock Spack

[Redbird]

It’s time. He simply cannot develop an offense or a QB. Losing to a 1-7 Western is a new low. It’s time.

 

[MadBird]

It’s time. He simply cannot develop an offense or a QB. Losing to a 1-7 Western is a new low. It’s time.

Yeah, except 31 points should be enough to win a game. They gave up 38.

 

[Redbird82]

No, you don’t fire the most successful coach in program history. But even the quarterfinal run a couple years was despite poor QB play. The spring and now poor QB play. Space has had some good offenses in the past. He needs to admit he needs to recruit anew QB, and pick ONE OC

 

[StLRedbird]

This is a stupid thread. I was going to say ignorant, but that just means uninformed. This is truly stupid.

 

[Redbird15]

You don't fire a great defensive minded coach ! Offensive Strategy and recruiting for objectives need to be re-evaluated. Everyone say new QB. What QB passing QB is coming to ISU if you are are run base offense ? You go recruit a QB thats an athlete. Jefferson is an athlete that they are pulling the ropes back with stay in the pocket throw the ball. Let him roll out if pass is there dink dump etc. if not run the ball Michael Vick style .. Defense will have to account for his running. Which will then open up the passing game.

 

[Redbird]

Guys, look at his record without Tre and Marshaun and tell me he has been a success. Without those two this team has never been able to get over any hump. You say I’m uninformed, but I am somebody who has attended every home game the last 6 years and watched almost every road game during the same time period. This team has had zero offensive identity since Kolbe left, who btw Spack said was going to be the greatest QB ISU has ever had. I’m tired of 6-5 seasons.

 

[Redbird]

Also, the same things you say about Dan you can say about Brock. This is the team he has after 12 years? He is 65-53 without Tre and Marshaun.

 

[StLRedbird]

Also, the same things you say about Dan you can say about Brock. This is the team he has after 12 years? He is 65-53 without Tre and Marshaun.

Nope. Not even close. For 40 yrs, ISU didn't spend a nickel on it's football program. Invested everything into basketball. The football facilities were embarrassing, frankly. Spack has built a culture of winning where there was none.

 

[Brick]

Also, the same things you say about Dan you can say about Brock. This is the team he has after 12 years? He is 65-53 without Tre and Marshaun.

Fact is HE DID have Tre and Marshaun.

 

[Virginia Redbird]

I have been as critical as anyone on the board about Coach Spack and his offensive capabilities. I have also said he has been terrific for the Redbird football program overall and brought a lot of W's along with him. Firing is not the correct move. He has more than earned the chance to right the ship and get the program back on the annual playoff participant track. I remember listening to a sports talk show where the contributors were discussing long-term coaches with one program. The essence of the conversation was that when a Head Coach is with a program for more than 10 years he tends to get comfortable, complacent, and lose the fire they had when they first arrived. Since the long term, Head Coaches are only long term because they were successful maybe it is just that rising to the top echelon is easier than remaining there. I would say Coach Spack is probably about as stable in his position as any Head Football Coach in the country in an FCS program. Maybe his tenure is not as solid with a new AD as it was before but I think it would take another couple of losing seasons at least before any changes in the Head Coaching position would be seriously considered. I also think Coach Spack hates losing but will he make the changes that appear to be necessary to improve the team? That remains to be seen. In my humble opinion, this team needs a high-quality experienced Offensive coordinator ("a" as in single not co-coordinator). Coach Spack is on record as saying when recruiting a QB the first thing he looks for is athletic ability. Maybe look to recruit the best QB and not look so much for the player that can move to another position in a year or two (there is a bit of a track record on this account). Regardless, the winningest coach in ISU history has totally earned the chance to get back on track. Calls for firing him are absurd.

 

[cherrybomb89]

No, you don’t fire the most successful coach in program history. But even the quarterfinal run a couple years was despite poor QB play. The spring and now poor QB play. Space has had some good offenses in the past. He needs to admit he needs to recruit anew QB, and pick ONE OC

I don't mean any offense but it seems we are really quick to say we need a new coach/QB/WB, etc. Even Spack stated that we can't put all the blame on the QB. Yes, it is shameful to lose to a team that is 1-7 but replacing coaches/players isn't always the answer. Our team always tries their hardest. What it comes down to his adjusting accordingly to how the game plays. Time and time again I've seen that the losing team in the first half seems to make significant changes to their plays after half time whereas we still push forward with the same plays. It honestly reminded me of the movie Space Jam where the Tune Squad made a come back after half time and won the game. That's exactly what Western did. The truth is, Mueller and Jefferson are a great combination. Our defensive line held back Western for the first half of the game and the offensive line made some great plays come to life. That all changed after half time. And once the losing team starts making some great plays, it just fuels their determination to win. So no. I don't think recruiting a new QB is the answer. Are we always going to say it's the QB's fault when we lose a game? We aren't playing in the NFL. We just need to rethink our strategies and continue to grow from them. Losing isn't always a bad thing. We just found out one way that doesn't work; we just need to make sure we don't keep replicating those same mistakes.

 

[fourthandshort]

stupid comment and thread

• 4 quarter finals (2012, 2014, 2015, 2019, + 2014 natty run)
• should have a 5th quarterfinal (2016, controlled for 3 qtrs, then 2 fluke special teams mistakes in Q4)
• IMO (and many others), the 2011 team was screwed out of playoff bid; and furthermore, I believe the 2011 team was better than the 2012 team. The defense and run game were both better in 2011.
• 4 of his 6 best teams did not have Tre or Marshaun (2011, 2012, 2016, 2019) .. and Marshaun was his, just like James Robinson
• Going 4-4 in MVFC this decade is usually worthy of top 20 and playoff bid
• 1 season below .500 in 12 years before this year
• 2020-21 pandemic season hurt our roster much more than most because of how good our 2019 team was, other than pass game

By your criteria, every program in MVFC except NDSU (and possibly SDSU) should be firing their head coaches every few years .. this is what makes the idea stupid. MVFC is the SEC of FCS ... 4-4 in MVFC is a top 20 (or better) playoff level team, plus we play FBS game, so 7-4 is strong record, even 6-5 makes playoff sometimes.

Besides, if we fired Spack as you would like, I would bet lot of money, you'd be back here in 3 years calling for the next guy to be fired .. rinse, lather repeat in 6 years .. or less.

Yes, we need to address our Achilles heel in pass game - AD should get involved on strategic level with next OC hiring, with commitment of play calling, QB development, etc. But I'm not throwing this baby out with bath water. So no, thanks .. I'll stay with what we have in Spack.

 

[redbirdfan04]

At times this board has a comment that wins the I'm a dummy trophy. This is that post. Congratulations, please see the ticket office for your trophy.

To the person from the athletic department that reads this board please just ignore this thread, thank you Redbird fans everywhere.

 

[Racine Bird 3813]

I don't think it is a dumb post. I'm on the fence about Brock. I recognize the MVFC is tough and ISU FB was down for a really long time. I just feel like we are spinning our wheels and I watch the same team each year. For those that think this is a dumb post, what is your expectation for Brock to maintain his position at HC at ISU?

 

[StLRedbird]

I don't think it is a dumb post. I'm on the fence about Brock. I recognize the MVFC is tough and ISU FB was down for a really long time. I just feel like we are spinning our wheels and I watch the same team each year. For those that think this is a dumb post, what is your expectation for Brock to maintain his position at HC at ISU?

I think that Spack had a Top 5 team and Nat'l Championship contender going into the '20 season. COVID and NCAA rule changes cause much of that team to scatter to the wind. I don't think that was Spack's fault. I also think he's earned the chance to get the team back on track.

 

[Dmills]

I think that Spack had a Top 5 team and Nat'l Championship contender going into the '20 season. COVID and NCAA rule changes cause much of that team to scatter to the wind. I don't think that was Spack's fault. I also think he's earned the chance to get the team back on track.

Worth reminding people on here players that we would have had on the roster for the Fall '20 season had COVID not screwed everything up.

Brady Davis
Jeff Proctor
Romeo McKnight
Christian Uphoff
Devin Taylor
Dylan Draka
Paul Monaco

Also, do not forget Charles Woods, John Ridgeway, Andrew Edgar, Taylor Grimes, and Drew Himmelman (who all played in the Spring '21 I believe).

 

[Bird Friend]

I don't think it is a dumb post. I'm on the fence about Brock. I recognize the MVFC is tough and ISU FB was down for a really long time. I just feel like we are spinning our wheels and I watch the same team each year. For those that think this is a dumb post, what is your expectation for Brock to maintain his position at HC at ISU?

Nope. Not playing this game. No matter how one responds others will respond by saying it's not realistic or is settling for mediocrity. If you're on the fence, you should have your own expectations for what it'll take. If you don't, then--in my opinion--you're really not on the fence.

 

[Chi-bird]

Spack will turn the program around. Covid and the emergence of the transfer portal/ the culture of transferring set the birds back a bit. Spack will adjust and we’ll be back to respectable real soon, and on way to becoming a top 10 program again. He’ll do it by building a roster full of tough, disciplined players and we’ll get a few playmakers as well.

 

[Redbird15]

Worth reminding people on here players that we would have had on the roster for the Fall '20 season had COVID not screwed everything up.

Brady Davis
Jeff Proctor
Romeo McKnight
Christian Uphoff
Devin Taylor
Dylan Draka
Paul Monaco

Also, do not forget Charles Woods, John Ridgeway, Andrew Edgar, Taylor Grimes, and Drew Himmelman (who all played in the Spring '21 I believe).

only himmelman / T. Grimes

 

[MadBird]

only himmelman / T. Grimes

Edgar played in three games and caught one pass in the spring, Ridgeway played in all the games and led the team in tackles in the spring, Wood 4 games and tied for second with 20 tackles.