Coach Muller talks Italy, shows off Redbird Arena

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Glad for the update.

How come I giggled when he said “I guess I should put in an out of bounds play”?
 

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Metamoron said:
Glad for the update.

How come I giggled when he said “I guess I should put in an out of bounds play”?

He mentioned at the practice Saturday that they don't have one yet. They just been focused on other things and an OB play is really easy to put in.
 

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Sorry Adunk. That was my way of saying that I am not sure we have had much an in bounds play for a lot of years.
 

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Metamoron said:
Sorry Adunk. That was my way of saying that I am not sure we have had much an in bounds play for a lot of years.

One area that Muller himself truly needs to improve on, IMO, is getting the hoop team ready to play sharp/focused when the season starts. Slow starts (aka losing games ISU should have won) are a bit of a hallmark early in the season for Muller and cost ISU dearly in 2016-17 season. Given his past results I would hope he uses the extra practices afforded this year to do something other than extra conditioning. :? If not could be a long season and maybe Muller's last?
 

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ChiRedbirdfan said:
Metamoron said:
Sorry Adunk. That was my way of saying that I am not sure we have had much an in bounds play for a lot of years.

One area that Muller himself truly needs to improve on, IMO, is getting the hoop team ready to play sharp/focused when the season starts. Slow starts (aka losing games ISU should have won) are a bit of a hallmark early in the season for Muller and cost ISU dearly in 2016-17 season. Given his past results I would hope he uses the extra practices afforded this year to do something other than extra conditioning. :? If not could be a long season and maybe Muller's last?
The last thing I'd ever want to hear is my kids aren't in shape. :oops: That said it sounds to me like they're spending most of the summer focused on "D" with some "O" thrown in. In bounds plays are like specials in football. They're important, but not until I've got my offense and defense in.
I'm with you 100%. For the love of god get this team off to a fast start.
 
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An inbounds play can be placed in minutes. They literally draw them up during games at times. I’d much rather have a team focused on defense at this time of year than anything else. Don’t want to give teams anything before games count.
 

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TIMMY said:
ChiRedbirdfan said:
Metamoron said:
Sorry Adunk. That was my way of saying that I am not sure we have had much an in bounds play for a lot of years.

One area that Muller himself truly needs to improve on, IMO, is getting the hoop team ready to play sharp/focused when the season starts. Slow starts (aka losing games ISU should have won) are a bit of a hallmark early in the season for Muller and cost ISU dearly in 2016-17 season. Given his past results I would hope he uses the extra practices afforded this year to do something other than extra conditioning. :? If not could be a long season and maybe Muller's last?
The last thing I'd ever want to hear is my kids aren't in shape. :oops: That said it sounds to me like they're spending most of the summer focused on "D" with some "O" thrown in. In bounds plays are like specials in football. They're important, but not until I've got my offense and defense in.
I'm with you 100%. For the love of god get this team off to a fast start.

Agree with yourr comments TImmy esp inbounds plays. I still stand by my comment that recent ISU hoop teams seemed un/ill-prepared at the start of the season and at the end of close games. We just have not started the season out well and certainly have not closed out games very well either. I hope Muller is not following his off/pre-season regiment utilized in the past few seasons.
 

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BirdGrad2011 said:
An inbounds play can be placed in minutes. They literally draw them up during games at times. I’d much rather have a team focused on defense at this time of year than anything else. Don’t want to give teams anything before games count.

But the team must have several in bound plays for various court inbound situations. Those plays need to be practiced so that you get the most out of the play esp during the end of games game where the score is tight. If a team at the d 1 level of play is routinely drawing up new plays in the huddle then then that team is a mess. Most often coaches are using the clipboard in the huddle to remind players of how a play is to be executed esp since the specific players running the play during the game may be slightly different than were together during practice (due to fouls, injuries, type of opponent ,,,etc)
 

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ChiRedbirdfan said:
BirdGrad2011 said:
An inbounds play can be placed in minutes. They literally draw them up during games at times. I’d much rather have a team focused on defense at this time of year than anything else. Don’t want to give teams anything before games count.

But the team must have several in bound plays for various court inbound situations. Those plays need to be practiced so that you get the most out of the play esp during the end of games game where the score is tight. If a team at the d 1 level of play is routinely drawing up new plays in the huddle then then that team is a mess. Most often coaches are using the clipboard in the huddle to remind players of how a play is to be executed esp since the specific players running the play during the game may be slightly different than were together during practice (due to fouls, injuries, type of opponent ,,,etc)

I disagree entirely with this. If you have a play you are running the same play multiple times it will be scouted, on tape and it will go bad.
 

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BirdFan10 said:
ChiRedbirdfan said:
BirdGrad2011 said:
An inbounds play can be placed in minutes. They literally draw them up during games at times. I’d much rather have a team focused on defense at this time of year than anything else. Don’t want to give teams anything before games count.

But the team must have several in bound plays for various court inbound situations. Those plays need to be practiced so that you get the most out of the play esp during the end of games game where the score is tight. If a team at the d 1 level of play is routinely drawing up new plays in the huddle then then that team is a mess. Most often coaches are using the clipboard in the huddle to remind players of how a play is to be executed esp since the specific players running the play during the game may be slightly different than were together during practice (due to fouls, injuries, type of opponent ,,,etc)

I disagree entirely with this. If you have a play you are running the same play multiple times it will be scouted, on tape and it will go bad.

Teams have several plays and new plays are introduced during the the course of season to avoid being predictable. Btw I said if a team is “routinely” calling plays in huddles that have never been used that is a problem. There are occasional times a play may be made up on the fly but teams routinely are practicing various inbound plays and making slight in game adjustments for the situation. I know that the Badgers, Blue Demons and Illini use that approach
 

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BirdFan10 said:
ChiRedbirdfan said:
BirdGrad2011 said:
An inbounds play can be placed in minutes. They literally draw them up during games at times. I’d much rather have a team focused on defense at this time of year than anything else. Don’t want to give teams anything before games count.

But the team must have several in bound plays for various court inbound situations. Those plays need to be practiced so that you get the most out of the play esp during the end of games game where the score is tight. If a team at the d 1 level of play is routinely drawing up new plays in the huddle then then that team is a mess. Most often coaches are using the clipboard in the huddle to remind players of how a play is to be executed esp since the specific players running the play during the game may be slightly different than were together during practice (due to fouls, injuries, type of opponent ,,,etc)

I disagree entirely with this. If you have a play you are running the same play multiple times it will be scouted, on tape and it will go bad.
Football coaches scout tape. No kidding right? I ran the same 5 running plays for 30 years.Against the same coaches. Different sets and different motions, but the same 5 plays. If you execute them correctly and make the correct adjustments according to what the defense gives you they work. If I were to run 30 plays, every once in a while I could trick somebody. But the kids would make more mistakes and not make the correct adjustments. Keep things simple and execute. Basketball is no different It's not about how many plays you run. It's about how well you run a play..
 

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TIMMY said:
BirdFan10 said:
ChiRedbirdfan said:
But the team must have several in bound plays for various court inbound situations. Those plays need to be practiced so that you get the most out of the play esp during the end of games game where the score is tight. If a team at the d 1 level of play is routinely drawing up new plays in the huddle then then that team is a mess. Most often coaches are using the clipboard in the huddle to remind players of how a play is to be executed esp since the specific players running the play during the game may be slightly different than were together during practice (due to fouls, injuries, type of opponent ,,,etc)

I disagree entirely with this. If you have a play you are running the same play multiple times it will be scouted, on tape and it will go bad.
Football coaches scout tape. No kidding right? I ran the same 5 running plays for 30 years.Against the same coaches. Different sets and different motions, but the same 5 plays. If you execute them correctly and make the correct adjustments according to what the defense gives you they work. If I were to run 30 plays, every once in a while I could trick somebody. But the kids would make more mistakes and not make the correct adjustments. Keep things simple and execute. Basketball is no different It's not about how many plays you run. It's about how well you run a play..

I agree with others thoughts that this in on the edges, not your main playbook like your 5 plays that would be about execution.

Inbounds plays are closer to coming up with 3rd and long plays. If you only have 1 play for 3rd and 8 with 4 options it wouldn't be hard to figure out.

Time out plays are drawn up all the time and rely more on communication and feel. I wouldn't care if we went back to the Jank half court throws if we had to if it meant time to dedicate to offensive sets and feel with teammates.
 
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