Bowdoin College announces no fall sports

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I know the big schools willl fight this, but I wonder if more small colleges might go this route.
 

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A fair number of kids testing positive so far. There's gonna have to be a Plan B, if not a Plan C, which is maybe what Bowdoin did.
 

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I know the big schools willl fight this, but I wonder if more small colleges might go this route.
this makes much more sense at lower levels. They have much less incentive to take risks, and much less economic downside ... since 98% of programs aren't worried about losing ticket sales and concessions for home games.
 
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this makes much more sense at lower levels. They have much less insenstive to take risks, since they aren't worried about loing ticket sales and concessions for home games.
Actually, they depend MORE on ticket sales and concessions, since there are minimal TV and conference revenues.
 

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Actually, they depend MORE on ticket sales and concessions, since there are minimal TV and conference revenues.
Missed this and just edited my original post. So help me understand, as I only looked at this on surface ... clearly ! But if average D-III attendance is 1,700 per game, I would have assumed most of their football programs rely much more on other resources as a %, than they do on ticket and concession sales. I say this having never looked at a college football program P&L .... but asking for a friend !! ;)
 

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Football Positive : Clemson 28 K-State 14 Texas 13. 😒
This is a tweet that was re-tweeted by Brady Davis -


We can test our players and the Illini can test their players. Both programs have the ability to put a team on the field that doesn't test positive but it will be hard to maintain that from July through November and beyond. We're really asking the FB team to give up their social life for the entire football season. Any player associating with someone outside the team without a mask, and without social distancing, is taking a chance. Do you want to have a football season or do you want to have a social life? Seriously, that's a tough choice. Btw it's easier for Davis, he's married.
 

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Missed this and just edited my original post. So help me understand, as I only looked at this on surface ... clearly ! But if average D-III attendance is 1,700 per game, I would have assumed most of their football programs rely much more on other resources as a %, than they do on ticket and concession sales. I say this having never looked at a college football program P&L .... but asking for a friend !! ;)
Well I shouldn't have left the impression that I think the DIII programs are "supported" by their ticket revenues. Just that they don't have the TV revenue and so forth that would argue for playing in front of empty stadiums. Altho I know many of them see athletics as a "recruiting" plus for the entire student body, meaning if you have 1000-1500 students and a couple hundred athletes that's a pretty big percentage of the student body. So, no sports you might be losing enrollees and "paying customers" so to speak.
 

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Well I shouldn't have left the impression that I think the DIII programs are "supported" by their ticket revenues. Just that they don't have the TV revenue and so forth that would argue for playing in front of empty stadiums. Altho I know many of them see athletics as a "recruiting" plus for the entire student body, meaning if you have 1000-1500 students and a couple hundred athletes that's a pretty big percentage of the student body. So, no sports you might be losing enrollees and "paying customers" so to speak.
Had a friend up here who was the HC at a D3 close by. He would say as long as he had 150 kids on his roster he had job security. Somehow he always had 150 tuition paying kids on his roster.😏
 

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Had a friend up here who was the HC at a D3 close by. He would say as long as he had 150 kids on his roster he had job security. Somehow he always had 150 tuition paying kids on his roster.😏
So now that you both mention it .. having 80+ tuition paying on kids will sure help shore up the Football P&L. Coaches ought to work on commission basis !! 🤑
 

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And WAY over priced!!!
I transferred from Wesleyan to ISU after my freshman year. May not have been the best student, but I had a firm grasp of math and what that crazy $8K a year tuition would do to my ending student loan balance. What is Wesleyan now, $40K? More?
 

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I transferred from Wesleyan to ISU after my freshman year. May not have been the best student, but I had a firm grasp of math and what that crazy $8K a year tuition would do to my ending student loan balance. What is Wesleyan now, $40K? More?
50K.😲 145 Football players. All getting full athletic rides according to their parents. ;) :D:D
 
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50K.😲 145 Football players. All getting full athletic rides according to their parents. ;) :D:D
According to wikipedia, IWU has 1700 students. 145 footballers - sorry that might be a soccer term - account for 8% of the student body. No wonder the Fiji's are thriving. I had no idea how important athletics were to D-III schools. This board continues to educate me.
 

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According to wikipedia, IWU has 1700 students. 145 footballers - sorry that might be a soccer term - account for 8% of the student body. No wonder the Fiji's are thriving. I had no idea how important athletics were to D-III schools. This board continues to educate me.
Not to mention softball, volleyball, baseball, swimming, etc. etc. Kind of amazing to think about, especially if your frame of reference is 20K plus at old state U.!
 

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50K.😲 145 Football players. All getting full athletic rides according to their parents. ;) :D:D
Being Division III, IWU does not award football scholarships. They can offer financial aid and academic scholarships. My older brother is an IWU alum and played football all four years there. Quite a few players were receiving some form of financial assistance but not technically athletic scholarships.
 

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Being Division III, IWU does not award football scholarships. They can offer financial aid and academic scholarships. My older brother is an IWU alum and played football all four years there. Quite a few players were receiving some form of financial assistance but not technically athletic scholarships.
If they didn't offer some sort of financial aid your brother would be in a much smaller club. The lure of playing sports for 4 more years is a huge factor in keeping those schools going. I'm not going to count it up but with 22 sports athletes must account for what? 25% of their total enrollment?

Hey it's tough out there. Life I mean. If you're athletic and you can extend your career 4 more years more power to you and to the parents that help support it!
 

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Being Division III, IWU does not award football scholarships. They can offer financial aid and academic scholarships. My older brother is an IWU alum and played football all four years there. Quite a few players were receiving some form of financial assistance but not technically athletic scholarships.
They don't give athletic scholarships. Never have. But in my years as an AD you wouldn't believe how many parents would come up and say their kid got one. Good for them.;)
 
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