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You have been consistent with this message for sure. Let's hope we see some consistency with all the improvements so far.
Mal his whole career have been playing off ball probably 95% of the time other than his final year of high school. He’s a smart kid. When he figure out where, what and when in the shot clock to take his shot from the pg position this team will become seriously good. I know he’s struggling with what shot to take the most. Numbers don’t lie and he tell me his group know the importance of conference games without having to be told. I think we all saw that by their play in these two conference games. I honestly see this team turning the corner sooner than later. I also can tell Pedon is still fiddling with implementing more wrinkles. We can’t forget this team have really good length they will become ever better defensively as well, evident by so many deflections early in the game in the W.
 

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Energy is interesting, players some times need it from the crowd to play well, but the crowd doesn't provide it unless the team plays well. I wish more fans and students would be engaged. You're taking the time out of your day to come to the arena, why not be part of the fun? If you're just going to sit on your phone or with your legs crossed watching the game, I promise, your couch at home is a lot more comfortable that the seats at RBA.

I've been saying this, almost obsessing over it, for years. You nailed it. It's completely cyclical. Fans need a reason to cheer, and the team feeds off that energy. But here's the trick: The students can make up reasons to cheer. Therein lies the fun. It's not rocket science, but it IS actual science.

People in attendance + making noise = enthusiasm = energy = team responding positively.

That energy, noise level and excitement at a college basketball game starts with the students, period.

When there is a full student section and people are standing, cheering, and involved in the game, the rest of the crowd follows suit. More importantly, the players feel and feed off that vibe and it gives them a boost. They want to play well at home, they want to put on a show. There IS that extra step feeling that an excited crowd provides. This is not blowing smoke, I can't tell you how many times we'd hear that directly from the players, either right after games or the next day(s) on campus, as if they were congratulating US on our performance lol. That's not being cocky. We took pride in helping our guys out. They noticed. Not just the team, but the band, cheerleaders and dance team would all say the same thing, that it made their jobs easier. Know what that did? It made for FOUR student groups working together to make an atmosphere that our guys loved and the other team hated, and everyone had fun. You string 2-3 games like that together and it becomes the thing to do.
 
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Incredible start to the second half given turnovers - first 10 minutes of the second half possessions
TO - 6
3 pt - 7/7
2 pt - 3/5
FT - 2/2
Offensive Reb - 1
Off Eff - 161.1

19:11 TO
18:46 Liam 2pt Jumper
18:07 Lewis 3pt
17:25 Liam 2 FT made
16:58 Luke 3pt
16:20 Liam missed 2pt; Liam offensive rebound 16:10 Luke 3 pt
14:58 TO
14:24 Liam 2 pt
14:08 TO
13:51 Luke 3 pt
13:25 TO
13:02 Malachi 3pt
12:27 McChesney 3t
11:56 TO
11:34 Knight 3 pt
11:19 knight 2 pt Dunk
10:42 Lewis missed 2 pt
10:08 TO
 

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In the long run, the shot clock violations we are getting right now means very little. No one likes a turnover, but most coaches would prefer that over a panic turnover that results in an easy basket the other way. I would also say the shot clock violations at home are just as much on the bench and the fans as it is on the players.
Huh?? On the bench and fans?? The fans chanted the countdown multiple times yesterday. We're not a team that, overall, haa good court awareness. This is STRICTLY on them. And....we had at least 6 times yesterday where we had no concept of the shot clock, including coming out of timeouts!!!. That's a 2-18 potential point swing. That's the difference in us winning 10 games vs 15 games or more. It's a big deal, man.

BTW. No offense intended.
 

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Incredible start to the second half given turnovers - first 10 minutes of the second half possessions
TO - 6
3 pt - 7/7
2 pt - 3/5
FT - 2/2
Offensive Reb - 1
Off Eff - 161.1

19:11 TO
18:46 Liam 2pt Jumper
18:07 Lewis 3pt
17:25 Liam 2 FT made
16:58 Luke 3pt
16:20 Liam missed 2pt; Liam offensive rebound 16:10 Luke 3 pt
14:58 TO
14:24 Liam 2 pt
14:08 TO
13:51 Luke 3 pt
13:25 TO
13:02 Malachi 3pt
12:27 McChesney 3t
11:56 TO
11:34 Knight 3 pt
11:19 knight 2 pt Dunk
10:42 Lewis missed 2 pt
10:08 TO
Actually next two possessions
9:46 Knight 3pt
9:18 Lewis layup

That would 8/8 from 3pt. Add Colton 3 pt end of the first half and that would be 9 consecutive 3 pt shots. Luke finally missed a 3 at the 8:59 mark
 

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I've been saying this, almost obsessing over it, for years. You nailed it. It's completely cyclical. Fans need a reason to cheer, and the team feeds off that energy. But here's the trick: The students can make up reasons to cheer. Therein lies the fun. It's not rocket science, but it IS actual science.

People in attendance + making noise = enthusiasm = energy = team responding positively.

That energy, noise level and excitement at a college basketball game starts with the students, period.

When there is a full student section and people are standing, cheering, and involved in the game, the rest of the crowd follows suit. More importantly, the players feel and feed off that vibe and it gives them a boost. They want to play well at home, they want to put on a show. There IS that extra step feeling that an excited crowd provides. This is not blowing smoke, I can't tell you how many times we'd hear that directly from the players, either right after games or the next day(s) on campus, as if they were congratulating US on our performance lol. That's not being cocky. We took pride in helping our guys out. They noticed. Not just the team, but the band, cheerleaders and dance team would all say the same thing, that it made their jobs easier. Know what that did? It made for FOUR student groups working together to make an atmosphere that our guys loved and the other team hated, and everyone had fun. You string 2-3 games like that together and it becomes the thing to do.
They need to move the student section again. Forget putting it at the ends. Look what Loyola did. They put it opposite the benches. They moved the TV Cameras to the other side, so you see the back of the bench and it's constant students on TV when they are bringing the ball up. So they are on TV most of the time. We had the chance to do it and they could have saved a ton of money putting in benches for the students with no back, instead of chairs, so they are forced to stand. Today's kids want to be on TV, influencers (yes that is a profession), intagram, snap chat, ect... You have to have them in the camera shot 70% or more of the time. More kids will go if they see people like themselves in the camera shots. Right now they see empty red chairs or corporate guys like their parents or grandparents. We also have to remember the students fund pretty much all the athletics through their fees, so they should have the best seats. And I'm thinking like the first 5 rows, and the people behind them, well you know it's a student you could move if you don't like it.

It's a shame RBA is likely too big and not totally shaped right to do something like that, wish it was more like a true field house in shape and maybe about 5K or 6K in capacity. Outside of graduations or a concert it will never see capacity crowds. Not when the games are able to be streamed, and your already paying for it so you can see away games. This topic has been discussed many times, is it the chicken or the egg that comes first. Supposedly winning will bring people, or do people bring the winning atmosphere. Either way you could pick a side and argue for pages and pages on it.
 

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Huh?? On the bench and fans?? The fans chanted the countdown multiple times yesterday. We're not a team that, overall, haa good court awareness. This is STRICTLY on them. And....we had at least 6 times yesterday where we had no concept of the shot clock, including coming out of timeouts!!!. That's a 2-18 potential point swing. That's the difference in us winning 10 games vs 15 games or more. It's a big deal, man.

BTW. No offense intended.
No offense taken and I like the discussion.
There is so much we have to work on as far as running an offense. Back in the day, it wouldn't be a difficult concept. In today's game, most of these guys haven't played Pedon's style before. To me, if we can run an offense while we are moving for 30 seconds, I take that as a positive. I hear what you are saying about the 2-18 point swing of not knowing the clock and 10 wins vs 15 wins. In the big picture of running the offense, the moving without the ball, the screening, the passing, how to get open shots etc. is the main priority to build a conference champ. By not taking shortcuts, that could make us a consistent 25 win team.

On a side note, one of my least favorite parts of basketball is when the point guard gets the ball in his hand with 15 seconds on the shot clock, dribbles it down to 5, then tries to go 1 on 1. :)
 

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I've been saying this, almost obsessing over it, for years. You nailed it. It's completely cyclical. Fans need a reason to cheer, and the team feeds off that energy. But here's the trick: The students can make up reasons to cheer. Therein lies the fun. It's not rocket science, but it IS actual science.

People in attendance + making noise = enthusiasm = energy = team responding positively.

That energy, noise level and excitement at a college basketball game starts with the students, period.

When there is a full student section and people are standing, cheering, and involved in the game, the rest of the crowd follows suit. More importantly, the players feel and feed off that vibe and it gives them a boost. They want to play well at home, they want to put on a show. There IS that extra step feeling that an excited crowd provides. This is not blowing smoke, I can't tell you how many times we'd hear that directly from the players, either right after games or the next day(s) on campus, as if they were congratulating US on our performance lol. That's not being cocky. We took pride in helping our guys out. They noticed. Not just the team, but the band, cheerleaders and dance team would all say the same thing, that it made their jobs easier. Know what that did? It made for FOUR student groups working together to make an atmosphere that our guys loved and the other team hated, and everyone had fun. You string 2-3 games like that together and it becomes the thing to do.
how many students were at the game?
 

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how many students were at the game?
Not too many and they had a t shirt give away. I am guessing less than 150 and they were split between to ends.

The first game looked great with the entire marching band on one side and a full student section on the other side
 

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It's a shame RBA is likely too big and not totally shaped right to do something like that, wish it was more like a true field house in shape and maybe about 5K or 6K in capacity. Outside of graduations or a concert it will never see capacity crowds. Not when the games are able to be streamed, and your already paying for it so you can see away games. This topic has been discussed many times, is it the chicken or the egg that comes first. Supposedly winning will bring people, or do people bring the winning atmosphere. Either way you could pick a side and argue for pages and pages on it.
We had that with Horton. Redbird made sense at the time but it's big and sterile. Looking forward to Horton Saturday. Hope the kids show up!
 

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Let’s not throw any shade at students. Likely todays senior endured 2019-20, COVID 20-21, 21-22, and now 22-23 seasons. Dan gave them NOTHING to get excited about for 3 seasons. Yeah, no fans for the Covid year, but that team was awful anyways. We are too far from Paris Lee for any current students to be drawn to that level of success.

I don’t blame them for not showing up. Pedon will have to earn their trust and attention.
 

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Let’s not throw any shade at students. Likely todays senior endured 2019-20, COVID 20-21, 21-22, and now 22-23 seasons. Dan gave them NOTHING to get excited about for 3 seasons. Yeah, no fans for the Covid year, but that team was awful anyways. We are too far from Paris Lee for any current students to be drawn to that level of success.

I don’t blame them for not showing up. Pedon will have to earn their trust and attention.
Oh I get that, and that's all true. I was just saying that those who do show up can do much better than sitting around on their phones. Of course I'd rather have them there hanging out than not at all, BUT they would have a much better experience themselves and actually enhance the atmosphere at the same time when they get into the game.
 

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Oh I get that, and that's all true. I was just saying that those who do show up can do much better than sitting around on their phones. Of course I'd rather have them there hanging out than not at all, BUT they would have a much better experience themselves and actually enhance the atmosphere at the same time when they get into the game.
I get that as well. I was a Freshman in 2007 when the student section really took off for basketball for a bit there. You guys had to put in so much work to build that. Jank came in and won right away making it that much better. Students will come and be engaged as long as Pedon keeps building.
 

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First get a better home non con. Not a lot of buzz about NW State. Wooster.
SIU E. WIU and Chicago State. Don’t wanna hear the we are building the program excuse…
 

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I get that as well. I was a Freshman in 2007 when the student section really took off for basketball for a bit there. You guys had to put in so much work to build that. Jank came in and won right away making it that much better. Students will come and be engaged as long as Pedon keeps building.
We did, and we promoted every game on social media and (in those days), AOL messenger lol. We organized pregame gatherings to properly fuel up. :)

But you know what happened then...combined with winning, it became automatic. Hoops games were the thing to do. You'd hear people talking about it during class or walking on the quad. After awhile we didnt have to worry about the hype because it was self-fulfilling at that point. But you were there, you know it all started with just some proactive energy. We made the games SEEM fun, which in turn made them LOOK fun and then FEEL fun.

Of course, winning and a lot of star power in those days helped too haha.
 

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We did, and we promoted every game on social media and (in those days), AOL messenger lol. We organized pregame gatherings to properly fuel up. :)

But you know what happened then...combined with winning, it became automatic. Hoops games were the thing to do. You'd hear people talking about it during class or walking on the quad. After awhile we didnt have to worry about the hype because it was self-fulfilling at that point. But you were there, you know it all started with just some proactive energy. We made the games SEEM fun, which in turn made them LOOK fun and then FEEL fun.

Of course, winning and a lot of star power in those days helped too haha.
Sorry about stealing front row for Bradley that year. I believe that was the year demand was so high you had to get a ticket to that game. My roommate camped out. Hope it gets back to that level one day.
 

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First get a better home non con. Not a lot of buzz about NW State. Wooster.
SIU E. WIU and Chicago State. Don’t wanna hear the we are building the program excuse…
Yes, the schedule is weak but we all should understand why. Building the program is not an excuse, it's a fact in this case. Pedon didn't get here until March. He had to assemble a staff and a team in pretty short order and scheduling took a back seat. He gets a pass on that for this season only. I'd think next season's schedule will look quite different. I think he even said as much.
 

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Sorry about stealing front row for Bradley that year. I believe that was the year demand was so high you had to get a ticket to that game. My roommate camped out. Hope it gets back to that level one day.
haha oh I didn't care. Just having that demand and the fact that we'd regularly put students to the roof in the upper bowl was incredible. I was getting tired of falling into the moat every time I'd jump around anyway :)
 

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Yes, the schedule is weak but we all should understand why. Building the program is not an excuse, it's a fact in this case. Pedon didn't get here until March. He had to assemble a staff and a team in pretty short order and scheduling took a back seat. He gets a pass on that for this season only. I'd think next season's schedule will look quite different. I think he even said as much.
Should show improvement next season but I believe there will be return games with: WIU, EIU, and Chicago State, just to set expectations accordingly. I'm hearing next year's MTE will likely either be in Vegas or Southern California.
 

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Should show improvement next season but I believe there will be return games with: WIU, EIU, and Chicago State, just to set expectations accordingly. I'm hearing next year's MTE will likely either be in Vegas or Southern California.

We played at Chicago state last year so hopefully we are done with them
 
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