Brennan Resigns

[Sladerunningbear]

I believe they went to the Red Garter to recruit pole vaulters. It’s obvious.

 

[Bdub777]

If your choice is resign or be fired, what would you choose?

Yeah, but if he was given that choice, there were reasons the Administration gave him that option. Reasons that almost certainly go well beyond the GLT story. He had a contract, and we know there was a pretty hefty penalty for early resignation. It has now been reported that the details of his separation are being worked out. The for cause standards in the contract would have had to have clearly been breached if he was given the “resign or be fired” option.

 

[Buffett1]

Yeah, but if he was given that choice, there were reasons the Administration gave him that option. Reasons that almost certainly go well beyond the GLT story. He had a contract, and we know there was a pretty hefty penalty for early resignation. It has now been reported that the details of his separation are being worked out. The for cause standards in the contract would have had to have clearly been breached if he was given the “resign or be fired” option.

The address was a pick up location not a drop off. When using Lyft your location is approximate and you only enter where you want them to drop you off. This address is right by the stadium and tons of other restaurants and bars. If they got dropped off there then yes different story but they didn’t.

Ill go with WGLT report

although some in the group apparently ended the evening at the Red Garter Gentlemen’s Club in downtown Indianapolis. That’s a short walk from Lucas Oil Stadium.

At 2:21 a.m. Sunday (about three hours after the game ended), Muhlhauser or someone with access to his Lyft account booked a $144 Lyft ride from 437 S. Illinois St. (the address for Red Garter) back to the Hampton Inn & Suites

this club stands stands completely by itself. Surrounded by parking garages Nearest thing is a White Castle The only bar is the whistle stop bar a block away
so,let’s give the exact address of the strip club to get picked up…

google earh it.

 

[She_Also_Said]

Yeah, but if he was given that choice, there were reasons the Administration gave him that option. Reasons that almost certainly go well beyond the GLT story. He had a contract, and we know there was a pretty hefty penalty for early resignation. It has now been reported that the details of his separation are being worked out. The for cause standards in the contract would have had to have clearly been breached if he was given the “resign or be fired” option.

He is not paying the University for resigning. Anyone who has had to fight tooth and nail since they started at a job internally and externally all over trying to do what he was asked to do and get done what he was brought in to do. He’s basically had to do his job with one hand tied behind his back and target on him. People say they want change but when things change and people have to work they then don’t like change. Not sure where you are getting the “facts” about his contract or the separation but he is not paying the University for resigning.

 

[Reggie Redbird]

The address was a pick up location not a drop off. When using Lyft your location is approximate and you only enter where you want them to drop you off. This address is right by the stadium and tons of other restaurants and bars. If they got dropped off there then yes different story but they didn’t.

Considering upcoming criminal and civil trials, the use of the jet in question, and overall questions about this pledge, it is possible all three people listed in the article testify under oath and penalty of perjury before one or more court. I can’t speculate if WGLT would post this as fact without other corroboration; that would be a question for Denham or GM McBride. However, considering it’s affiliation with campus, I would highly doubt this story would be allowed to be published and stay up if the facts weren’t there. The station does not want a libel suit.

 

[dpdoughbird06]

the strip club lyft had to be the dumb drunk moment of the night.

They had some time to sober up before submitting expenses for reimbursement. With a clear head, why not just eat the cost of this one rather than face the potential scrutiny of expecting taxpayer funds to cover your ride home from a strip club.

But as many have stated, none of this comes to light if your donor prospect doesn’t get indicted in spectacular fashion a few weeks later.

 

[Buffett1]

He is not paying the University for resigning. Anyone who has had to fight tooth and nail since they started at a job internally and externally all over trying to do what he was asked to do and get done what he was brought in to do. He’s basically had to do his job with one hand tied behind his back and target on him. People say they want change but when things change and people have to work they then don’t like change. Not sure where you are getting the “facts” about his contract or the separation but he is not paying the University for resigning.

Take this for what it’s worth
:
Brennan signed a three-year contract extension last summer that gave him a 10% raise (to $242,892 annually) and the possibility of up to $20,000 per year in performance bonuses. But that same revised contract also requires him to pay ISU back 25% of his annual salary if he resigned prior to June 2027, according to contract documents obtained by WGLT; 25% of his salary would be around $60,723.

 

[Reggie Redbird]

He is not paying the University for resigning. Anyone who has had to fight tooth and nail since they started at a job internally and externally all over trying to do what he was asked to do and get done what he was brought in to do. He’s basically had to do his job with one hand tied behind his back and target on him. People say they want change but when things change and people have to work they then don’t like change. Not sure where you are getting the “facts” about his contract or the separation but he is not paying the University for resigning.

I don’t think the purpose of the article is to say he “will be” paying the university. I think they are pointing out that Brennan willfully signed a contract that included a provision to pay 25% of his salary if he resigned. Likely in there for a case of him resigning for another job. Generally, coaches and admins, presidents, etc are offered the opportunity to resign for some thought it may look better for future jobs. However, they may be told they will be terminated if they choose not to resign, It’s really a courtesy offer. Former FB HC Denver Johnson “resigned” but still got his buyout as if he were fired. He would not have received it for a resignation.

I wondered if that 25% figure was just of one annual salary or the remaining salary. I had to ask if the amount would actually be much more ($60k per year remaining) if the university chose to enforce the contract that Brennan willfully signed,

Again, nobody is saying that Brennan will have to come up with $60k or more (likely offset by unused vacation anyway). However, if this was a true decision to resign without the facing of termination, the university would be serving its constituents well financially to pursue any and all money it is owed by Brennan under an in-force contract.

On a side note, I have not seen anything about how Brennan accepted the job at Montana State in 2016 and backed out of it after a week (published news stories and comments by Brennan). I wonder if that came up in conversation with the search committee, I hope due diligence is done for the next FT hire. The university seems to have missed that due diligence with the Flanagan situation. I hope the search firm used last time isn‘t used again.

 

[Redbird222]

Ill go with WGLT report

although some in the group apparently ended the evening at the Red Garter Gentlemen’s Club in downtown Indianapolis. That’s a short walk from Lucas Oil Stadium.

At 2:21 a.m. Sunday (about three hours after the game ended), Muhlhauser or someone with access to his Lyft account booked a $144 Lyft ride from 437 S. Illinois St. (the address for Red Garter) back to the Hampton Inn & Suites

this club stands stands completely by itself. Surrounded by parking garages Nearest thing is a White Castle The whistle stop bar a block away
so,let’s give the e xact address of the strip club to get picked up…

google earh it.

Yep and I don't think they sat around for 3 hours waiting for an Uber or Lyft with guests they were hosting. They went went somewhere and if it wasn't the strip club then they should be able to offer up receipts. Usually the host pays and would have turn in the receipt ... they didn't. Even though the hosts usually pays, perhaps someone else paid this time. You should be able to produce those receipts if questioned or wrongly accused by someone. Admittedly you owe nothing to the reporters but I think ISU could have stepped in if they had verified the group went somewhere else. There certainly is enough there to warrant questioning and it looks suspicious. ISU and Kyle elected not to respond which was their choice but their lack of response versus providing support to clarify the situation didn't help either.

BTW - there have been claims that neither major donation was ever received. I work for plenty of organizations that is we have made a large capital investment based on 2 sales and neither ever came to fruition, folks would have been hel accountable. I am not sure this is the case but it should be pretty easy to figure out if we get any of the funds.

As far as other "tip of the iceberg" we will see. Collectively there is a group at ISU that has not made us look well - the reporter didn't put them in that situation.

 

[She_Also_Said]

They had some time to sober up before submitting expenses for reimbursement. With a clear head, why not just eat the cost of this one rather than face the potential scrutiny of expecting taxpayer funds to cover your ride home from a strip club.

But as many have stated, none of this comes to light if your donor prospect doesn’t get indicted in spectacular fashion a few weeks later.

Maybe for the fact that they weren’t at a strip club and had no idea that the rough address of their location that Lyft picked up was a strip club address if you have used Lyft the only exact address that you put in is your drop off location it uses rough coordinates of your pickup …. Again everyone can think what they want. What I have said is factual and I would not have commented if it wasn’t. I am not going to comment anything else. I have stated the facts that I know are accurate and that’s all I can do.

 

[Bdub777]

Take this for what it’s worth
:
Brennan signed a three-year contract extension last summer that gave him a 10% raise (to $242,892 annually) and the possibility of up to $20,000 per year in performance bonuses. But that same revised contract also requires him to pay ISU back 25% of his annual salary if he resigned prior to June 2027, according to contract documents obtained by WGLT; 25% of his salary would be around $60,723.

Facts. Everything is open to negotiation, and I doubt he will pay anything. But, a key to any negotiation is who has the leverage, and Kyle has none. I assume his positive contributions will be recognized by the university waiving the provisions.

 

[Bdub777]

He is not paying the University for resigning. Anyone who has had to fight tooth and nail since they started at a job internally and externally all over trying to do what he was asked to do and get done what he was brought in to do. He’s basically had to do his job with one hand tied behind his back and target on him. People say they want change but when things change and people have to work they then don’t like change. Not sure where you are getting the “facts” about his contract or the separation but he is not paying the University for resigning.

Please elaborate on exactly what you mean by having “one hand tied behind his back and a target on him”. As a donor and active participant in many events, my observation is that Kyle was celebrated and was freely allowed to put his team in place. He was rewarded with an extension. I am not seeing how he is a victim, but by all means, please persuade me that my take is incorrect.

 

[DougSutton]

How many of you have used Lyft? I have multiple times and have multiple saved receipts in my phone that have inaccurate pick up addresses. I shared a screen shot of just one of my recent trips that showed my "pick up address" more than 1 block away from my home where I was actually picked up.

Click this image I shared of Google Maps with directions from Lucas Oil Stadium to 437 S. Illinois St (the address of the strip club). Just look at this screen shot and notice all of the bars in the same block from the zoomed out view, and there are more when you zoom in (and my one Lyft receipt showed my actual pickup location more than one block away)!

The bars in this area close at 3am. It's safe to assume they were at a bar until 2:21am but a Lyft receipt is not evidence that they were inside of the address on the receipt. Thus, as I shared before, it is irresponsible to make such a claim and publish it as news without any further evidence than a Lyft receipt, they could have been at any of multiple locations within a 1 (or more) block radius.

The burden of proof must be on the accuser.

Imagine if this happened to you (regardless of the time, my bedtime is usually before 10pm) Just supposed you were at the Omni (next door) and worked in a public position and then took a Lyft somewhere and later turned in your receipt for reimbursement. Then imagine a reporter running a story accusing that you were at a strip club that your wife, children, friends and community members saw while simultaneously knowing that there are forces within your organization that are against you and you're being forced to resign.

I can promise if I was aware of this, I would be coming to your defense in the exact same way. I have no skin in the game, I have no vendetta against Brennan or reason to defend him but what's right is right and what's wrong is wrong and it's absolutely wrong to base a story off of a Lyft receipt with no other proof and I would hope any person would agree with this, especially if it was you being targeted.

 

[Bdub777]

How many of you have used Lyft? I have multiple times and have multiple saved receipts in my phone that have inaccurate pick up addresses. I shared a screen shot of just one of my recent trips that showed my "pick up address" more than 1 block away from my home where I was actually picked up.

Click this image I shared of Google Maps with directions from Lucas Oil Stadium to 437 S. Illinois St (the address of the strip club). Just look at this screen shot and notice all of the bars in the same block from the zoomed out view, and there are more when you zoom in (and my one Lyft receipt showed my actual pickup location more than one block away)!

The bars in this area close at 3am. It's safe to assume they were at a bar until 2:21am but a Lyft receipt is not evidence that they were inside of the address on the receipt. Thus, as I shared before, it is irresponsible to make such a claim and publish it as news without any further evidence than a Lyft receipt, they could have been at any of multiple locations within a 1 (or more) block radius.

The burden of proof must be on the accuser.

Imagine if this happened to you (regardless of the time, my bedtime is usually before 10pm) Just supposed you were at the Omni (next door) and worked in a public position and then took a Lyft somewhere and later turned in your receipt for reimbursement. Then imagine a reporter running a story accusing that you were at a strip club that your wife, children, friends and community members saw while simultaneously knowing that there are forces within your organization that are against you and you're being forced to resign.

I can promise if I was aware of this, I would be coming to your defense in the exact same way. I have no skin in the game, I have no vendetta against Brennan or reason to defend him but what's right is right and what's wrong is wrong and it's absolutely wrong to base a story off of a Lyft receipt with no other proof and I would hope any person would agree with this, especially if it was you being targeted.

Doug, I have enough faith in ISU to believe he was not asked to resign, or volunteered to do so, over a pickup location. That’s a tree. Why he resigned is a forest, and I am guessing it‘s darker than just what has been reported.

 

[Bird Friend]

Maybe for the fact that they weren’t at a strip club and had no idea that the rough address of their location that Lyft picked up was a strip club address if you have used Lyft the only exact address that you put in is your drop off location it uses rough coordinates of your pickup …. Again everyone can think what they want. What I have said is factual and I would not have commented if it wasn’t. I am not going to comment anything else. I have stated the facts that I know are accurate and that’s all I can do.

So you were there when they were picked up and with them ahead of time? If not, then it's hearsay, not facts. Just sayin' . . .

 

[Total Red]

BTW - there have been claims that neither major donation was ever received. I work for plenty of organizations that is we have made a large capital investment based on 2 sales and neither ever came to fruition, folks would have been hel accountable. I am not sure this is the case but it should be pretty easy to figure out if we get any of the funds.

This.

Below is a picture of the groundbreaking ceremony for the IPF. By the time we get around to the unveiling ceremony things will have a different look. It will be very interesting to see who returns for that ceremony. The two on the left, Navarro (BOT) and Vickerman (University Advancement) would have a chance at returning. The two in the middle - former President Kinzy and soon-to-be former AD Brennan will not.

What about "lead donors Dee Miller, Sheila Marshall-Miller ’93, and BJ Bello," plus son Jarel Miller? Was that "commitment" real or was it worth the same as Rossi's. I think we'll know at that time.

 

[DougSutton]

Doug, I have enough faith in ISU to believe he was not asked to resign, or volunteered to do so, over a pickup location. That’s a tree. Why he resigned is a forest, and I am guessing it‘s darker than just what has been reported.

As I've shared before, I'm only referring to the lack of context, credibility and validity of the article that was published that caused a national embarrassment on the university we all love. If there was a forrest of reasons to make a transition, that could have happened without making up a narrative about a tree with no credible proof.

Both things can be true. There could have been plenty of reasons for Brennan to want to resign and, this story lacks credibility and should not have been published with such misleading accusations without credible proof. From my perspective, it just feels like a hit piece that may have been orchestrated to make Brennan the public "fall guy" by focusing on a manufactured "tree" and perhaps the author was tipped off by people that wanted to see this happen because of the perceived forrest.

Regarding the commitments that were made for funding. I'm sure the ISU Foundation has a strict set of protocols to vet out any pledges that remove the burden of responsibility from the person that was the point person to solicit the pledge. Aside from the Rossi situation, the economy has shifted since these pledges were made and perhaps the individual financial situations of the committed donors. If they later backed out for personal financial reasons, this isn't anyone's "fault". Of course, if there was complete fraud that was known about or something to that effect, that's a completely different story.

 

[RedbirdFanatic32]

How many of you have used Lyft? I have multiple times and have multiple saved receipts in my phone that have inaccurate pick up addresses. I shared a screen shot of just one of my recent trips that showed my "pick up address" more than 1 block away from my home where I was actually picked up.

Click this image I shared of Google Maps with directions from Lucas Oil Stadium to 437 S. Illinois St (the address of the strip club). Just look at this screen shot and notice all of the bars in the same block from the zoomed out view, and there are more when you zoom in (and my one Lyft receipt showed my actual pickup location more than one block away)!

The bars in this area close at 3am. It's safe to assume they were at a bar until 2:21am but a Lyft receipt is not evidence that they were inside of the address on the receipt. Thus, as I shared before, it is irresponsible to make such a claim and publish it as news without any further evidence than a Lyft receipt, they could have been at any of multiple locations within a 1 (or more) block radius.

The burden of proof must be on the accuser.

Imagine if this happened to you (regardless of the time, my bedtime is usually before 10pm) Just supposed you were at the Omni (next door) and worked in a public position and then took a Lyft somewhere and later turned in your receipt for reimbursement. Then imagine a reporter running a story accusing that you were at a strip club that your wife, children, friends and community members saw while simultaneously knowing that there are forces within your organization that are against you and you're being forced to resign.

I can promise if I was aware of this, I would be coming to your defense in the exact same way. I have no skin in the game, I have no vendetta against Brennan or reason to defend him but what's right is right and what's wrong is wrong and it's absolutely wrong to base a story off of a Lyft receipt with no other proof and I would hope any person would agree with this, especially if it was you being targeted.

Genuine question; What are the "forces within your organization that are against you", that you reference? Or are you speaking hypothetically, to illustrate that there could potentially be different reasons for the resignation?

 

[Total Red]

Aside from the Rossi situation, the economy has shifted since these pledges were made and perhaps the individual financial situations of the committed donors. If they later backed out for personal financial reasons, this isn't anyone's "fault".

The BOT greenlighted this project because they were led to believe that at least 70% of the funding had been raised privately. If that was not the case, then someone needs to be accountable.
If you arrange a lavish outing (over $23,000) that fails to deliver on an announced 3-million-dollar commitment, the ice is getting thin. If your two largest pledges are both pure fantasies, then I expect a change will be made. Player, coach, AD - in athletics it is all about producing.

 

[BirdGrad2011]

I was speaking hypothetically but from having been an observer of situations like this in the past with an intimate awareness of the various forces at play that contribute to people choosing to step away. In a more public situation, think of Phil Jackson choosing to step away after the 1998 championship season, Jerry Reinsdorf offered for Phil to come back and he still chose to walk away because there were forces (in this case Jerry Krause) against him. Of course there are many, many other examples that would be more relevant to this.

What the **** does that have to do with this? Just stop. You clearly have zero clue and refuse to listen when multiple people tell you it’s bigger than one thing.