Next Years Team

[redbirdron1]

Let me b candid about portal needs. I believe we need 5 guys……,
PG - a really well built guy who’s a distributor of the ball with great handles; don’t need to b a shooter but smart. Prob a 1-2 year guy who can stabilize with r transition year.

2G - downhill player w/size, someone stuck at end of P5 bench or a guy trying to up his game from D2. True athlete like many of Muller’s off guards. Challenge will b to get a guy who is coachable and willing to b a team guy.

Wing - clone of Knight with dribble drive mentality and draw contact. Pedon was really smart about needing Seneca for this season.

Bigs - 2 paint guys who can defend and mix it up. Again, guys from P5 looking for minutes.

I expect all 3 frosh to compete for playing time but they’ll have their days of difficulty in D1 adjustments. Who knows, each may b a starter at times but we need depth.

This is a tall order for Pedon; he’s likable, energetic and genuine with roster - there’s not a young man today who sits on that bench wondering why he doesn’t play.

My concern is can Salesman Ryan Pedon get the 5 to Normal, Illinois??

Thoughts??

 

[Phantom]

My concern is can Salesman Ryan Pedon get the 5 to Normal, Illinois??

Thoughts??

This is a notable hurdle. It's not easy to sell a mid-major rebuild with today's one-year-and-portal mentality. Sure it can be done, we've seen it in our own league. But the first year of doing so in earnest is probably the most difficult.

The arena, campus, University, community, people, location...we have great selling tools there. If he can identify talent and then get the newcomers to buy in to the want-to-be-here mentality, then we'll have something sooner rather than later IMHO. If we take a step and play at or over .500 ball next season, we'll know it's working.

 

[SgtHulka]

Let me b candid about portal needs. I believe we need 5 guys……,
PG - a really well built guy who’s a distributor of the ball with great handles; don’t need to b a shooter but smart. Prob a 1-2 year guy who can stabilize with r transition year.

2G - downhill player w/size, someone stuck at end of P5 bench or a guy trying to up his game from D2. True athlete like many of Muller’s off guards. Challenge will b to get a guy who is coachable and willing to b a team guy.

Wing - clone of Knight with dribble drive mentality and draw contact. Pedon was really smart about needing Seneca for this season.

Bigs - 2 paint guys who can defend and mix it up. Again, guys from P5 looking for minutes.

I expect all 3 frosh to compete for playing time but they’ll have their days of difficulty in D1 adjustments. Who knows, each may b a starter at times but we need depth.

This is a tall order for Pedon; he’s likable, energetic and genuine with roster - there’s not a young man today who sits on that bench wondering why he doesn’t play.

My concern is can Salesman Ryan Pedon get the 5 to Normal, Illinois??

Thoughts??

Another freshman would be good, best available. Then fill the holes with transfers or Jucos. The holes will more determine the need but ill assume most of the Muller holdovers, primarily "bigs" will need to be replaced. In the end,we need a transfer PG and Big to crutch the freshmen. Thinning out the stretch 4 crop is also necessary

 

[SlackBooDom]

This is a notable hurdle. It's not easy to sell a mid-major rebuild with today's one-year-and-portal mentality. Sure it can be done, we've seen it in our own league. But the first year of doing so in earnest is probably the most difficult.

The arena, campus, University, community, people, location...we have great selling tools there. If he can identify talent and then get the newcomers to buy in to the want-to-be-here mentality, then we'll have something sooner rather than later IMHO. If we take a step and play at or over .500 ball next season, we'll know it's working.

Is there a chance because we love ISU we overestimate how people view the campus, university, community, people, location... etc? Not saying those things don't factor in, but because college basketball has become so transient do those things really matter anymore, or does it matter if you can go somewhere and win? We can't really sell big crowds or a top-of-the-MVC finish for at least a few years, so if we are recruiting against the top half of the MVC do those potential recruits care about Bloomington-Normal and ISU or do they care if they can win for the end of their career? What do recruits who only have limited eligibility care about and how do we cater our message there? High school seniors the community and location certainly matter, but if you're at the end of a P5 bench or have one season left, the message better be how we get you to the next level or how we win. I don't know if we have that to sell right now.

 

[DaveBird10]

Starters
1-Poindexter
2-Burford
3-Kasubke
4-Lewis
5-Juco/transfer

Bench
-Kinziger
-Pence
-Liam
-Walker
- transer wing
-Sissoko?

- My thought is you might see the same starters especially with Poindexter and Burford getting better/more comfortable. Burford assist/turnover ratio is 23/9 since he hurt his nose.
-Pence I can see him starting and playing a lot. We say that o he's coming to ISU but this is a kid who had visits to Wake Forrest and Iowa State with offers to Wake Forrest, Iowa State, Belmont, Loyola and Butler. He could've went to any school and chose to stay home at ISU.
- Kinziger is the best player on the best team in Wisconsin. P Lee played and took his lumps as a freshman so I expect for Kinziger to get the same. It might take Kinziger a while to get acclimated to college basketball but he will.
- Getting a transfer big then moves Liam, Sissoko and Walker to the bench and that's then 3 guys with 2 guys who really start for you now on the bench. If we get a transfer wing to compete and who can knock down shots that's then adds to the guard depth and overall depth.
-The other maybe guys stay or not if you have more then 2 spots to fill then get the best available and with basketball being positionless basketball as many guys who can play the 2,3 and 4 spot become valuable.

 

[Phantom]

Is there a chance because we love ISU we overestimate how people view the campus, university, community, people, location... etc? Not saying those things don't factor in, but because college basketball has become so transient do those things really matter anymore, or does it matter if you can go somewhere and win? We can't really sell big crowds or a top-of-the-MVC finish for at least a few years, so if we are recruiting against the top half of the MVC do those potential recruits care about Bloomington-Normal and ISU or do they care if they can win for the end of their career? What do recruits who only have limited eligibility care about and how do we cater our message there? High school seniors the community and location certainly matter, but if you're at the end of a P5 bench or have one season left, the message better be how we get you to the next level or how we win. I don't know if we have that to sell right now.

It's still somewhat subjective - and in how the coaches sell it. For incoming freshmen, especially if there is an emphasis on recruiting Midwest kids, then all that stuff (location, facilities, et. al.) does matter. Besides, since we can't sell consistent winning or packed arenas at the moment, we need to sell the other stuff to balance it out a little. This is kind of what I was getting at in my post above how this offseason is huge for Pedon. He's gotta get kids in here while coming off a bad/transitional year. Sometimes you gotta go back and sell the steak before the sizzle.

 

[Aggie]

Is there a chance because we love ISU we overestimate how people view the campus, university, community, people, location... etc? Not saying those things don't factor in, but because college basketball has become so transient do those things really matter anymore, or does it matter if you can go somewhere and win? We can't really sell big crowds or a top-of-the-MVC finish for at least a few years, so if we are recruiting against the top half of the MVC do those potential recruits care about Bloomington-Normal and ISU or do they care if they can win for the end of their career? What do recruits who only have limited eligibility care about and how do we cater our message there? High school seniors the community and location certainly matter, but if you're at the end of a P5 bench or have one season left, the message better be how we get you to the next level or how we win. I don't know if we have that to sell right now.

Bingo, pretty much says it all. What does ISU have to sell? Not the Big 10(20). Not an Ivy League school. Not a perennial final 64 team. For the right young athlete, at the right time, and right situation ISU MAY work for someone. We will be lucky to get 2 of the 5 everyone is looking for. ISU has to get lucky. Someone who didn’t work out somewhere else blossoms here. High School kid gets overlooked and we land him. I would rather be lucky than smart and we need a big dose of it next year.

 

[BirdGrad2011]

Bingo, pretty much says it all. What does ISU have to sell? Not the Big 10(20). Not an Ivy League school. Not a perennial final 64 team. For the right young athlete, at the right time, and right situation ISU MAY work for someone. We will be lucky to get 2 of the 5 everyone is looking for. ISU has to get lucky. Someone who didn’t work out somewhere else blossoms here. High School kid gets overlooked and we land him. I would rather be lucky than smart and we need a big dose of it next year.

You just described every mid major. Guess what though. Among our peers ISU has the most to sell in the MVC.

1) Location
2) Size (students and fan base)
3) Facilities

With the right commitment and formula this is the best place in the MVC and it’s not even that close. The privates don’t have an advantage. UNI, INSU, SIU have varying levels of funding failures/challenges that ISU hasn’t faced nearly as hard.

 

[Bird Friend]

If 6 to 9 enter the portable none of them may get an offer because other schools will be monitoring the transfer PORTAL. Also, I'm not sure that history has ever served as a guild.

Oh now, you’ve never heard of the Historians Guild?

 

[Bird Friend]

Let me b candid about portal needs. I believe we need 5 guys……,
PG - a really well built guy who’s a distributor of the ball with great handles; don’t need to b a shooter but smart. Prob a 1-2 year guy who can stabilize with r transition year.

2G - downhill player w/size, someone stuck at end of P5 bench or a guy trying to up his game from D2. True athlete like many of Muller’s off guards. Challenge will b to get a guy who is coachable and willing to b a team guy.

Wing - clone of Knight with dribble drive mentality and draw contact. Pedon was really smart about needing Seneca for this season.

Bigs - 2 paint guys who can defend and mix it up. Again, guys from P5 looking for minutes.

I expect all 3 frosh to compete for playing time but they’ll have their days of difficulty in D1 adjustments. Who knows, each may b a starter at times but we need depth.

This is a tall order for Pedon; he’s likable, energetic and genuine with roster - there’s not a young man today who sits on that bench wondering why he doesn’t play.

My concern is can Salesman Ryan Pedon get the 5 to Normal, Illinois??

Thoughts??

If we clone Knight, can alter the genes to make him a better ball handler?

 

[Bird Friend]

Is there a chance because we love ISU we overestimate how people view the campus, university, community, people, location... etc? Not saying those things don't factor in, but because college basketball has become so transient do those things really matter anymore, or does it matter if you can go somewhere and win? We can't really sell big crowds or a top-of-the-MVC finish for at least a few years, so if we are recruiting against the top half of the MVC do those potential recruits care about Bloomington-Normal and ISU or do they care if they can win for the end of their career? What do recruits who only have limited eligibility care about and how do we cater our message there? High school seniors the community and location certainly matter, but if you're at the end of a P5 bench or have one season left, the message better be how we get you to the next level or how we win. I don't know if we have that to sell right now.

Never. There are no homers on the board.

 

[Aggie]

You just described every mid major. Guess what though. Among our peers ISU has the most to sell in the MVC.

1) Location
2) Size (students and fan base)
3) Facilities

With the right commitment and formula this is the best place in the MVC and it’s not even that close. The privates don’t have an advantage. UNI, INSU, SIU have varying levels of funding failures/challenges that ISU hasn’t faced nearly as hard.

Not disagreeing but for talent we are competing with everyone, everywhere. We are pretty far down that list. Not that we cannot do it, but we are competing with 275 plus schools. With the portal and NIL it is a different ball game. There will be Universities with one major or several major donors that will start “buying players” for their team. Still lots to shake out in this new world. Whether we like it or not this is what we are competing against.

 

[Adunk33]

Didn't want to start a new thread, but it terms of next year, it sound like some Muller guys will be going through Senior Day Activities. Might give us a better idea of what to expect next season.

 

[Popsto4]

Let me b candid about portal needs. I believe we need 5 guys……,
PG - a really well built guy who’s a distributor of the ball with great handles; don’t need to b a shooter but smart. Prob a 1-2 year guy who can stabilize with r transition year.

2G - downhill player w/size, someone stuck at end of P5 bench or a guy trying to up his game from D2. True athlete like many of Muller’s off guards. Challenge will b to get a guy who is coachable and willing to b a team guy.

Wing - clone of Knight with dribble drive mentality and draw contact. Pedon was really smart about needing Seneca for this season.

Bigs - 2 paint guys who can defend and mix it up. Again, guys from P5 looking for minutes.

I expect all 3 frosh to compete for playing time but they’ll have their days of difficulty in D1 adjustments. Who knows, each may b a starter at times but we need depth.

This is a tall order for Pedon; he’s likable, energetic and genuine with roster - there’s not a young man today who sits on that bench wondering why he doesn’t play.

My concern is can Salesman Ryan Pedon get the 5 to Normal, Illinois??

Thoughts??

Guys are stuck on the end of the bench for a reason my man. P5 or any other place. Just because you’re at a P5 doesn’t mount to a hill of beans. If you’re at the end of the bench they’re way too many in front of you not even counting the starters. I’d rather see someone with playing time come onboard.

 

[DaveBird10]

Didn't want to start a new thread, but it terms of next year, it sound like some Muller guys will be going through Senior Day Activities. Might give us a better idea of what to expect next season.

From what I was told Kotvo and Sissoko are going through Senior Day Activities with Sissoko because his family will be in town for the game. Senior Day Activities will also take place after the game.

 

[stielowp]

Everyone needs to move NIL to the top of their list! That is how you can "sell" the program to recruits. Maybe this site Admin needs to start charging users on this site to get a "red" (instead of blue) check next to their name.

 

[ScoreboardDotRace]

You just described every mid major. Guess what though. Among our peers ISU has the most to sell in the MVC.

1) Location
2) Size (students and fan base)
3) Facilities

Did they redo that survey? Or are you referencing the one from 2019? Or is that just in your own opinion?

I still think ISU has plenty of selling points, but I’d be curious to see that survey redone again with current Valley teams regardless. Wonder where we would end up.

 

[isuquinndog]

Is there a chance because we love ISU we overestimate how people view the campus, university, community, people, location... etc? Not saying those things don't factor in, but because college basketball has become so transient do those things really matter anymore, or does it matter if you can go somewhere and win? We can't really sell big crowds or a top-of-the-MVC finish for at least a few years, so if we are recruiting against the top half of the MVC do those potential recruits care about Bloomington-Normal and ISU or do they care if they can win for the end of their career? What do recruits who only have limited eligibility care about and how do we cater our message there? High school seniors the community and location certainly matter, but if you're at the end of a P5 bench or have one season left, the message better be how we get you to the next level or how we win. I don't know if we have that to sell right now.

I'd like to hear @Popsto4 take on this, being the dad of a current player.

 

[BirdGrad2011]

Did they redo that survey? Or are you referencing the one from 2019? Or is that just in your own opinion?

I still think ISU has plenty of selling points, but I’d be curious to see that survey redone again with current Valley teams regardless. Wonder where we would end up.

What’s changed? Nobody has upgraded facilities really. Indy State did some nice upgrades but as a whole the university is below average. At worst this is a top 2-3 place in the MVC.

 

[ScoreboardDotRace]

What’s changed? Nobody has upgraded facilities really. Indy State did some nice upgrades but as a whole the university is below average. At worst this is a top 2-3 place in the MVC.

Was just asking if they had done a new one or if it was opinion.

I haven’t been to other campuses in awhile.